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Keeper, good points dude. you've been doing your reading i see

Amela,

Thank you for the good links on hijab and your arguments in defense of hijab. I would like to make some corrections, hijab is fard as you mentioned in some other journals, and it is in both Quran and Sunnah.

It is mentioned as part of the verse translation you quoted "that they should draw their head covering" for the arabic word "khomorehen" refers to "khemar" which is known by the arabs to be a head cover, and the ayah further orders the muslimahs to use this khemar for further covering in addition to the head. So no one can argue that head cover is not mentioned in the Quran - they should first read the tafseers of the Quran (refer to Ibn katheer's tafseer for example), unless they assume they are well versed and understand the Quran without tafseer !

Also, shariah is a complete code of life and it is comprehensive. Everything that relates to the way a Muslim should conduct his life is covered in Qur'an and Sunnah.

well my final take on this is here guys...I doubt the word hijab ever meant a headscarf, in my mind it means a complete modest dresscode....to get more details yuo can look at the hadiths (should you choose to take them seriously) to further get details (since hadith is meant to do exactly that).

Anyone who wants to wear it, it's up to you, and you know the more rewards you will get for following the Prophet's sunna and his pure wives insha Allah. If you choose not to, then you are willing to accept Allah's judgement on this issue like any other issue we meet on a daily basis. In my opinion it is a punishable act, just like a man showing some of his 3oura. For those who disagree, that's your choice.

In any case, if I said anything wrong in this whole journal, it is from myself, if I said anything right insha Allah it is from Allah.

May Allah guide all of us on the right track and help us achieve the ultimate goal of janna. As long as we don't forget our aim and destination and realize that this life is just a portal to get there.

funny how converts don't even question what Allah has decreed in his book, and people born into islam..play on words when it comes to something they don't like..

here is the last link I am gonna send on this issue: www.islamonline.net

also last words on the issue at hand:

I would like you to have a look at the verses relevant to male and female interaction.



"Say to the believing men that they should guard their gaze and cover their private parts. This is purer for them. And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should guard their gaze and cover their private parts; that they should not display their ornaments except what appear thereof; that they should draw their head covering over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands? fathers, their sons, their husbands? sons, their brothers or their brothers? sons, or their sisters? sons or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O you who believe turn you all together towards Allah that you may succeed. (24:30-31) "



It is evident from these verses that the Muslim men and women should abide by the following.



1. In case of mixed gatherings, men and women should guard their gaze.

2. Their dress should properly cover their private parts.

3. Women should not display their ornaments except for what is worn on hands, face and feet since these are not ordinarily covered. They may also display their ornaments before the list of relatives mentioned in the verse.

4. Women must cover their bosoms.

5. Women should also not adopt ways which are bound to attract the attention of the opposite sex.



You must have noted that covering the head has not explicitly been mentioned in these directives.



In spite of the above fact the question still stands why Muslim women have been wearing head coverings. Should they still do?



Actually it needs to be appreciated that these directives are the manifestation of that minimum level which is required at any rate. The Shari?ah does not give us a comprehensive list of all that is good and bad; all the decent acts which should be adopted and all the bad deeds which should be renounced. No doubt, the Law of Allah does guide us; its directives are indicative of the overall spirit which should reflect in our social, political and economic life. We are not provided with meticulous details about the structure of the Muslim civilization. Head covering is nothing but a manifestation of this spirit which has perpetuated all through the ebbs and flows of Muslim civilization. In other words, the head covering has not been promulgated by the Law yet its perpetuation exhibits the inclinations of Muslims in matters of Haya (modesty).



Just a handful of dust shows the direction of wind; similarly a minor thing like dress or observance of some other social norm can indicate what a particular person is all about.



The ultimate aim of the religion is the purification of the soul; towards this end it urges and guides its followers. But this purification is not merely an abstract thing. Our outer being plays a major role in achievement of this end; and therefore the choice of ?forms? is essentially important to retain and nourish the substance. Hence proper dress code is a fundamental thing for cleansing and purifying our soul.



One can argue that scarf is not included in the proper dress code and people may differ upon the definition of what is proper.



In this regards, our parents and the society in general does help us decide what is proper; our conscience no doubt also facilitates us in choosing what is right since as we contradict what our conscience says ?proper?, it pricks us terribly. However, if a Muslim lady decides most sincerely that head covering does not fall within the ambit of proper dress, she will not be held accountable since what she decided was based on her sincerity as the matter has not been addressed directly by the Shari?ah.



You tell us that you stopped wearing the scarf a year ago and you have been the same person throughout and that you have still not done anything extremely sinful whereas these girls who wear headscarf do bad things.



I say you should be thankful to God, like we all should, that He has saved you and covered you; I wish you the same in future also. Wearing or abandoning the scarf has nothing to do with sins or virtuosity directly. It has been your commitment and perseverance which has helped you a lot. Scarf is just a symbol of such commitment which a Muslim woman nourishes inside. I therefore feel that this symbol should be preserved. If one already possesses a furnished house, well and good; but without proper ?fa?ade?, how would it look like? Fa?ade has its own importance and that importance should be given due weight.



We need to remember that things do not lose their values just for the malpractice of some ignorant people.Values are values, and they remain so forever. The deeds of some girls cannot deprive headscarf of its value. Everyone is responsible for his acts and what disposition he adopts.The deeds of others are no excuse for letting go of good deeds. A person who offers prayers five times a day regularly but also deceives others does not provide me with an excuse to renounce the prayers. We should never underestimate a virtue. Small virtues sometimes lead to the bigger ones. We ought not to forsake anything good we possess; we must always nourish it. For now, you have been wearing scarf for the sake of your mother; it will become beneficial when you wear it on your own being conscious of its value in the perspective of Haya and Islamic civilization.



You tell us that a person is good with good intentions otherwise not. No doubt good intention is a prerequisite for each and every action but mere intentions are not sufficient. It is the deeds, which prove the veracity of the intentions. Why do you want to maintain yourself at the minimum level when you have the capacity of higher one? You feel that you don?t need the scarf to purify your soul but if a lady feels ?shorts? are good enough for purification then what will happen. Other people cannot judge purification from your feelings or claims. Should there not be something palpable?



Finally, I would like to add that preserving and protecting our Iman (faith) is the core issue about which we must be very sensitive. Iman is like a candle, if you put it amidst the blowing winds you will end up putting it out; and if you put it in a room away from the winds, it will live long. Similarly if you build around your Iman the walls of optional acts it will save and strengthen the obligatory ones; which are obviously the primary
requirement of Iman.

masrawaya - u said it!! :D good point.

Amela it seems that you have misunderstood what I said. This is the last I will say on this subject. I never argued that we are not to be modest. My whole point has been that hijab (head scarf) is not in the Koran. It is great you know you are Ayahs but none of the ones you quoted or gave us a link to actually say a female has to wear a HEAD SCARF...I did already acknowledge that the word hijab is actually in the Koran but never meaning head scarf. That is all. Salam!!

Amela
59. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.

more ayahs on hejab: www.islamicity.com

Mena you are a cutie.

Tk, you are right it is completley up to me. But like I said, if it was such a priority, it would have been mentioned in the Koran like everything else that is. That is all :)

but how much danger are you actually in if you wear the proper islamic dress....yes you will attract attention in a society like this, but aren't we supposed to be also displaying our religion?...what makes us any different than the disbelievers if we want to dress and look exactly like them. Are we sending the proper message of islam that way? It can be argued on both sides of the coin.

And when do we decide that there is physical damage. We aren't living in a world of complete chaos and no control yet. Right?

Nouha, I heard of this...but I believe that may be absolute extreme situations, something we are hardly experiencing in these societies....yet...

sorry sis my arabic sux,,here is a pic of abul howail: escapade67.free.fr

it brings good "attention" you are telling the world you are a muslimah..it's a muslimah's ID..it also sends a message to the opposite gender: talk to my brain not to my body! habebti masreyah u should really check out my latest VE on hejab on here..watch the videos! then u'd know what I am talking about.again I am not trying to put down or anything u sound like a nice girl from the land of abul howail.

actually i have been told that if wearing hijab causes harm, for example what happened after 9/11 with many hijabis being abused physically, then its ok to remove it ...

i dont think this includes being rejected from a job bc of hijab....

only physical harm is being referred to

I still don't feel it is a recommendation or the Prophet s.a.w. would say in the hadiths aforementioned something along the nature of musta7ab or yusta7ab etc etc... again, just my personal opinion,...backed up by any scholar I've ever read of or met.

To each their own 3ala kul 7al...liek it was mentioned earlier, Allah is the ultimate judge, you like to believe it is a recommendation, so am getting from the jist of ti that you feel there is no punishment for not following those hadiths, well that's between you and your God. My understanding is that there is a punishment because it is a sin or a form of disobeying to refuse a hadith win ahl el 3ilm unanimously agree on the fact of this.

Once again I would like to point something out, masraweya earlier mentioned that she doesnt feel she will end up in hellfire by not wearing it...nobody said anything about ending up in hellfire or leaving the religion if you dont wear it. So, I feel it is a necessity placed by Allah and his mesenger...and if it isn't in sepecific detail in the quran defining what the cover IS and what it covers, that's why the Prophet s.a.w. was sent, to put the details and explain to the likes of us who cannot on our own translate the quran as we may think off the cuff.

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