exclusion of Bible
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This link is to a story about an airline stewardess who wasn't allowed to bring her Bible with her on an overseas flight to Saudi Arabia. According to that country's rules, visitors are not allowed to bring "pork products, alcohol,and religious books apart form the Qu'ran".
Now, how do y'all feel about them not allowing the other works from God (Torah and Bible)? What drew me to Islam is the fact that I hoped they weren't as exclusive as I feel Chistianity is. Yes, I believe that the Qu'ran is the Truth, and the word of God, but it also says in the second Sura that true believers believe in the revelations that were given to us and those before us; hence, including the Torah and the Bible (Injeel). Now I know that Saudi Arabian government doesn't represent every Muslim on Earth, but my problem is with how they can be so .... I don't know ..."narrow minded" comes to mind, but I don't think that expresses the right sentiment.
I understand the no alcohol and pork, but not being able to bring in other religious works that we all agree come from the same God?? I am actually in the process of reading the Bible (which has exactly the same stories as the Qu'ran-Abraham, Isaac, Noah, Moses, Jesus ) and the insistance upon Submission to One God is stated clearly from the get-go. So why the exclusion?
Reverts and non-reverts alike, feel free to respond.
This link is to a story about an airline stewardess who wasn't allowed to bring her Bible with her on an overseas flight to Saudi Arabia. According to that country's rules, visitors are not allowed to bring "pork products, alcohol,and religious books apart form the Qu'ran".
Now, how do y'all feel about them not allowing the other works from God (Torah and Bible)? What drew me to Islam is the fact that I hoped they weren't as exclusive as I feel Chistianity is. Yes, I believe that the Qu'ran is the Truth, and the word of God, but it also says in the second Sura that true believers believe in the revelations that were given to us and those before us; hence, including the Torah and the Bible (Injeel). Now I know that Saudi Arabian government doesn't represent every Muslim on Earth, but my problem is with how they can be so .... I don't know ..."narrow minded" comes to mind, but I don't think that expresses the right sentiment.
I understand the no alcohol and pork, but not being able to bring in other religious works that we all agree come from the same God?? I am actually in the process of reading the Bible (which has exactly the same stories as the Qu'ran-Abraham, Isaac, Noah, Moses, Jesus ) and the insistance upon Submission to One God is stated clearly from the get-go. So why the exclusion?
Reverts and non-reverts alike, feel free to respond.



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the problem is , with religious works, the Quran is the ONLY unaltered book.... so it does not come as too great a surprise to see religious books on the list ..
salaam and eid mubarak to u all, may u all be blessed with a wonderful new year :)
The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.? Abu Dawood narrated with his isnaad from ?Umar that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ?I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula,, and I will not leave anyone there but Muslims.? Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth.
It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) became angry when he saw that ?Umar had a page with something from the Tawraat written on it, and he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?Are you in doubt, O son of al-Khattaab? Have I not brought you something shining and pure? If my brother Moosa were alive, he would have no choice but to follow me.? (Narrated by Ahmad and al-Daarimi, and others).
There are a lot of practises in Saudi Arabia that are extreme so if I were you I wouldn't measure Islam according to any country's practise or even to any person's practice of it. Having said that, I would like to point the fact that the Qur'an talks about Torah, Zaboor, Injeel in reference to older revelations. However and unfortunately, those books are not what we have today in the bible or at least they're not there in their original pure form.
What is called the Torah today in the Bible refers to the first 5 books of the old testaments, supposedly revealed to Prophet Moses. However today it is conventionally believed that Moses wrote those 5 books however there is no proof for it, and this is coming from Bible scholars and not Muslim scholars. They simply don't know who wrote those books as there is no clear cut evidence that it's Moses (and as a matter of fact the 5th book talks about how/when/where Moses died and was burried in the 3rd person as if it's someone else writing). And such is the case with many books in the bible's old and new testaments, we simply have no clue who wrote them. If one reads the bible, one would find some passages that "could" be attributed to God based on the nature of their messages.. However some other texts in that same bible can also be attributed to prophets, others to historians, and others aren't even worth of being in that book.. and you will run into such passages as you study the bible like you said.
Finally, the "bible" as we know it today has many versions, some of them omitting entire books, some omitting whole verses, and others having additions or variations of verses or books. And the bible as we know it today was simply assembled by people in the first few centuries after Christ, based on older books that were inherited through the Jewish tradition.. so basically humans selected what books to include and what to exclude and elected to throw them between two covers called "Bible".. there is more to it but I'll just stop here.
Back to the Qur'an, it talks about the Torah which is the book that was revealed to Prophet Moses, and about the Zaboor which is the book revealed to prophet Jacob, and the Injeel which is the message that was revealed to prophet Jesus/Issa peace be upon them all. The Qur'an asks Muslims to believe in those 3 and in all other revelations and prophets that Allah Almighty sent to human kind, that is a belief and acknowledgment of their existence (regardless if they still exist today in any form), however Muslims are not asked to believe in those books in the sense that we should follow them. The only book Muslims follow is the Qur'an because it updated previous books, and corrected whatever beliefs/information from older books that had been corrupted through time.. so you can say we have the final version of what Allah wants human kind to follow in the Qur'an and thus we should not really follow what is "left" of older/previous books, partly because we simply have no clue where they came from (neither do Bible scholars).
I hope this helps.
edgard