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Dutch Democracy


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Login to find out (November 21, 2006 at 1:06pm)
there is differnce of opinion regarding niqab--keeping in mind that the four madhabs originally required women to cover their face. The exception is mostly made for women living in the west based on authentic hadith someone mentioned earlier. According to Hanafi Madhab, if you dont wear it in the west you still have to wear in in a muslim country. But that is beside the point..this is again just another crack down on muslims. If a muslim woman decided to wear...we as muslims have duty to make sure that that we fight for basic religious rights.

Also, I dont really advise women to cover their face living in the west. I think it draws unneccesary attention and you stick out like a sore thumb. It almost defeats the purpose of the niqab.
 
Login to find out (November 19, 2006 at 2:07am)
As far as i know, then it was farz for women to do niqab in the start. But then our prophet told the people, that women dont have to cover their face.
I cant find it but its in the hadith ..
Ill try to find it .. !!

I do feel fr those who have to give up their work etc.
cause of the niqab. But from experience. Then those women who do niqab dont work here. I dont know about everyone and everywhere in Europe.
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2006 at 11:02pm)
just imagine, there is something you have been practicing all your life, and all of sudden you are asked to change your beliefs because it doesn't meet someone else's standards? I feel for these women who are asked to leave their jobs and careers just b/c they are covering their faces. Meanwhile, I agree that Niqab is not necessary in Islam, but right now banning it is merely for political reasons. I have only a hadiths that supports my argument regarding Niqaab, but when you talk to these girls, they know very well why they are covering their faces. It is our religious freedom that we should be able to practice.
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2006 at 10:54pm)
if arabs kill eachother there...then y punish the whole muslim community?...(lol thats kinda like saying lets ban do-rags and baggy jeans b/c of gang violence)...also, if its ok for a woman to walk around half naked, and its ok for one to have body art and piercings, calling it freedom of expression...then y is it such a big deal if a woman wants to wear a burqa?...
 
Login to find out (November 18, 2006 at 10:26pm)
These countries like us, its somewhat the peoples wn fault.
Arabs here kill each others in small fights.
Most of the people who are involved in crime
is people with another ethnic baground.
When the first muslims/people with another
bacground came to Denmark were there no 'problems.
Many married muslims. And there is so many mixed families here. But the new generation and the refugee kids act like they own this country.
Talking down about white women. commit crime.
Instead of work, they use exuses that they cant get a job and hang out in groups with their friends.
etc etc

there is always 2 side of a story.
These are christian countries, who are trying
to protact their religion and what they r know for.
Burga ban is not against islam.
Cause islam doesnt tell you to wear burqa.
I personallly think that livin in these country and wearing burqa is wrong . baninig hijab is wrong, and thats when people should raise their voice.
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2006 at 10:37pm)
news.bbc.co.uk

Morocco airline banned prayer at work... i think some workers were abusing this facility (according to the news)...

Mostly ppl who commented didn't obviously know the concept of prayer in Islam. According to many "religion should be left at home"...
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2006 at 10:30pm)
Alif,
Whats the Morocoo incident?
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2006 at 10:19pm)
You should also read some comments posted on BBC's "have your say.", recently they were discussing banning prayer at work (after the Morocco incident).
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2006 at 10:17pm)
so yeah now that they are banning veils, soon they will start banning hijabs. and what are we gonna do? Organize some rallies and then sit quietly in our living rooms and watch Indian movies.

Personally, I don't find niqab necessary, because according to a Hadiths, Prophet SAW ordered women to cover everything except her face and hands. But this is a different a story, right now these people are doing it for political reasons.. and I am pretty sure soon within few years, Hijab will be banned in many places.

That reminds me! what is the content of women rights bill that was just passed by Musharaf? If it doesn't contradict with Islam then why are ppl making such a big deal?
 
Login to find out (November 17, 2006 at 9:12pm)
Time to head back homes guys, these countries don't like us anymore even when we are among the most educated and peacful citizens of their socities.