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Afghan Warlord Amnesty


news.bbc.co.uk

Apparently both the Oolasi and Masharano Jirage is moving forward with this. All warlords are to be given amnesty but its not clear if this amnesty will be extended to Khalqis, Parchamis and Taleban.
 

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Login to find out (March 3, 2007 at 7:24pm)
Salmana, thats very intersting but we need a little more info. Are the Blochs in Iran staging an isuregency against the governement?

On a side note, I had a Bloch friend from Noshki. He once told me that there is a saying among the Balochs: If you are a Shia then you are not Baloch and if you are a Baloch then you are not shia.
 
Login to find out (March 1, 2007 at 3:41pm)
hey guys, quite interesting discussion going on here,
here is something i came across, its kind of relevant so I thought to post it :)

paasa nangaliya! nan dilbar auw janaan wagata
noom da Pukhtoon wagata naamos da Afghan wagata
Tol jahaan hairaan kra da Khapl shaan pa tamasaha
aye da Ahmed zoya aye bachiya da Sher Shah!

Ghani Baba
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 9:28pm)
Thanks khana, you lightened my mood for sure.: ) I wish they didn't had Dustoom's picture in there. Unfortunately he is still alive..lol They were showing my city...beatutiful Paktia..: )
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 6:52pm)
www.youtube.com

To lighten up the mood.
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 4:31pm)
Salmana bro, Just a remarks from me about the 15 groups. Just to let you know Shia is minority in Afghanistan...very minority..and their 8 or 9 group did not make any significant difference at the time of war and we never heard of them unfortunately while we were living there. That's why I mentioned the 7 groups which were backed by Pakistan.
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 12:30pm)
I know, it will take a very long long time till the afghan people will replace these pupets with their own selected people.
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 12:02pm)
Talibaan, fortunately do not have a good reputation in Afghanistan and they will not come back and people will not support them, especially after karzi regime, people have seen a little bit of stability and freedom for women and a little taste of normal life after a long long time. So hopefully Pakistan will get a bigger slap on their face this time for helping and trying to bring talibaan back to power, and interfering in our countries politics.
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 11:32am)
Talib worora, Thank you for your explanation. It makes perfect sense now. I use to say , za Pashtana yama... not pathan yama....but I have notice that outside , means here in the State, everyone is using "Pathan" more than Pushtoon, and I guess that's how I picked it up.
 
Login to find out (February 28, 2007 at 10:16am)
Salman bro, thanks for correcting me, but I am still waiting to tell me what is the difference between Pathan and Pushtun's...or when to use which one? I am sorry, I am confused?
 
Login to find out (February 27, 2007 at 6:57pm)
And again I agree that Hikmatyar was a brutal man. In Hayatabad he had this big bungalow rented out (one of several). Eventually when he fell out of favour with ISI that place was raided and they found dozens of bodies buried in the lawn and in the basement. There is also a place in Nowshera near Akora which was his millitray camp. That place is actually known as "Pansi Ghat".
 
Login to find out (February 27, 2007 at 6:54pm)
Salman Khana,
No one questions the brutality of Hekmatyar. He was also a incompetent commander. If you read books by the Brigadier level ISI people they testify to him not being so bright as compared to other commanders as well as his inability to get along with others. These writers also say that during the initial stages of the war, the ISI lead group had recommended Massod or Jalal-uddin Haqani to be the "go to guy", but General Zia and General Akhtar hand picked this guy and I guess their motives were to keep Afghanistan in weak hands even if Mujahideen won. Hikmatyar was the lowest of the low, he was a nobody. Although he is Ghilzai, he is from Kunduz, the only real Pushtun strong hold in the North and I guess ISI's idea was that this way he won't be able to rally strong tribes like Jadran., Mangal, Kuchi etc in the long run. And guess what it worked. He did ISI's dirty work with brutal efficiency like a dumb robot.

I still say Masood was the worst. He struck a deal to keep salang pass open and let the Pushtuns bear the brunt of soviet army. Before the war Pushtuns made up 60-66% of the population. Today they are shown as 42-49% (depending on the source). Pushtuns were devastated by this war in Particular and Masood is bears a lot of responsibility for that. He was cunning commander, he spent the time after 1983-1991 in preparing his troops for eventual control of Kabul. He is portrayed in the western media was a hero etc etc, becuase he has had links with De-Beers diamond company for decades and they do a lot of PR work for him.

You know who the Russians say was the most capable commander, Jalaludeen Haqani, he is the only man after Hitler to take a city from the Russians (Khost in 1990).
 
Login to find out (February 27, 2007 at 4:33pm)
But, I can't be so hard on them either. I know they have done tons of bad thing to their people and country and the wealth of the country. But in the mean time they were the one who fought the Russian's too. I wish there were literate and not made so much damage on the way out, or while they were there and respected Afg history and the countries wealth.
 
Login to find out (February 27, 2007 at 4:06pm)
I wouldn't unfortunately call any of them a real mojahid. Because they were 7 groups and everyone was fighting to take over the power unfortunately. There is only on God, one Prophet and one Quran. But they were 7 group under that name of Islam fighting and calling themselves Mojahid. If they were united, I am sure the war wouldn't have lasted as long as it did, and most of the time they were killing each other and innocents civilians than fighting the enemy : (
 
Login to find out (February 27, 2007 at 3:56pm)
Salmana worora, I am sorry, I don't really know what is the difference between Pathan or Pushtun's. I thought they were the same. I am learning so much mashallah from you , Khan and the rest. And I am happy to be here. Again my apology if I have offended anyone by using wrong word. It is not my intention.
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 10:53pm)
Salmana, I wouldn't say that Gulbudin Hikmatyar was the cruel one. There were lots of rivary going on that time... all these 7 groups were from different parts of Afg..and Gulbudin was Pathan, and maybe one or 2 more were pathan too. And he had made a name for himself those days for fighting good against the Russian, and for the others to get the credit, they had to say bad things about the other groups to look good. Just to let you know..the other tribes in Afg were jealous of Pathans. First of all they always carried the good name and reputation in the country and people will count on them and we are the most honorable people...and even today...most farsiwaan's will call themselves "Khan' to get credit or look good or call themselves Pathans...because we were the Honor of the country...+ from the time of Nader shah and zahir shah... till today... all the leader of Afghanistan were pathans... except on of the Paracham guy, which Russian brought him to power and I can't remember his name... that is strange.....oh...just remembered...Babrak Karmal ..he is the only Persian guy that had the govt for a short while, otherwise for centuries, Pathans have been ruling Afghanistan.
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 10:40pm)
Taliba, Yeah, Khan is right, but Talib was really bad in behaving with woman in public. If a woman was outside on the street and was wearing skirt. and she will be wearing that borqa on top too.....but wearing skirt was school uniform for girls in Kabul... they will stop her and beat her up on the street. Beating an afghan woman is very much against the culture. I am happy they didn't raised their hands on me...LOL
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 10:25pm)
khana, The other day I wrote that talib wasn't as bad as the world make them sound... I told you , that yeah they took away the women's right in Afg...but the reason behind it was, that unfortunately the other Islamic group was doing lots of rapping and I was ashamed to write this about them. So when they came in power, to protect women, they ordered that no woman work outside of their house to bring some peace and protections to the ladies, and the other good things they did, they try to collect lots of weapons from people's hands.... every one had a gun at home and if they didn't like they way you said hi to them, next thing you know they had the gun in their hand and was firing at innocent person. Unfortunately the people of Afg haven't see anything better in the past 30+ years but war and killing and that is the only answer for everything. It will take 2 generation to get them clean and erase everything from their memories...unfortuantely.
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 10:09pm)
Most of the 7 Islamic group that were fighting against the Russian during the invasion, unfortunately have done some bad things to their own people. Including killing educated people, just because they were educated and they consider them kafer and communist. Unfortunately they have even rape young girls...and we have heard very sad stories....which I can't write...because it is that sad. But the worse was the Northern Alliance with Masood as their leader. First of all, their were not real Mojahid and they were change the parties, like "Dostam Rashid" which unfortunately still alive and the biggest Rapist of all and the biggest criminal of all time...and still part of the current govt. of Afghanistan. But anyway, Masood not only was a good Mojahid, but he sold alot of the countries wealth to foreigners. We have a documentary at home that he is dealing the Emeralds from our country loaded on donkeys with foreigners. But of course no one killed more than the Parcham group. : (
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 7:21pm)
Salmana, I think Masood was the worst and here is why. His "jihad" ended in 1983 after he stuck a deal with the Soviets to stay away from Salang Pass. This has been confirmed by both the Russian Generals as well as CIA operatives. Salang Pass was the main supply route and this helped the Russians to kill hundreds of thousands of people in the East and South.

There are only few relatively clean people like the Late Abdul Haq, Mojedadi and Younis Khalis. But then again what about Paki gov that has been interfering in Afg.
 
Login to find out (February 26, 2007 at 7:15pm)
Taliba, I agree, this is confusing. Among the communists, warlords and taleban, overall Taleban are said to have the least amount of blood on their hands.